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		<title>By: The left intellectuals and the God Trick &#171; Dead Voles</title>
		<link>http://adswithoutproducts.com/2009/10/09/last-call-on-militant-dysphoria/#comment-3742</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The left intellectuals and the God Trick &#171; Dead Voles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] As ads without products goes on to say, it would be cool if this diagnosis then turned toward an unexpected new cure. No such luck so far: first we figure out what&#8217;s wrong, get militant, then maybe we can figure something out. Is the anti-energy of angst politically tappable? For sure: see Fascists, Nazis, al Qaeda. Teh question is whether it can be channeled appealingly. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As ads without products goes on to say, it would be cool if this diagnosis then turned toward an unexpected new cure. No such luck so far: first we figure out what&#8217;s wrong, get militant, then maybe we can figure something out. Is the anti-energy of angst politically tappable? For sure: see Fascists, Nazis, al Qaeda. Teh question is whether it can be channeled appealingly. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair enough - LVT&#039;s been doing the job himself well enough for the past decade!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough &#8211; LVT&#8217;s been doing the job himself well enough for the past decade!</p>
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		<title>By: Ads</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wayne, 

Perhaps you&#039;re new to this site, but no one&#039;s allowed to make fun of LVT on AWP. Them&#039;s the rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, </p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;re new to this site, but no one&#8217;s allowed to make fun of LVT on AWP. Them&#8217;s the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Reid Kane</title>
		<link>http://adswithoutproducts.com/2009/10/09/last-call-on-militant-dysphoria/#comment-3595</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point Anthony, and I can&#039;t wholly disagree. I think its less of a this-or-that situation, however, than one of a dynamic internal to depression. In part, I wonder if it&#039;s even intelligible to talk about life at all deprived of that basic, ground-level narcissism, that stubborn insistence that &#039;I deserve to exist, I deserve to keep living&#039; etc. If a depressive weren&#039;t minimally convinced of this entitlement, it&#039;s hard to see what other option there would be than suicide (that&#039;s not to say that certain cases of suicide aren&#039;t themselves inspired by a narcissistic swipe at one&#039;s loved ones). But I think it vacillates, it goes back and forth, and this dynamic is what makes depression so difficult, but also so unfortunately livable.

Consequently, I think a certain exacerbation of the narcissistic tendency here is precisely where a kind of politicization can happen (although that&#039;s not to suggest it is easy): I should be more significant, but instead of reading this discrepancy as a problem with me, I see it as a problem with the world that produced me, and therefore a world that would undervalue its constituents must be challenged and changed. Of course, this could easily lead off into some kind of liberal politics of healing, or even something worse, and hence politicization is not inherently neutral, but that is more of a practical difficulty than a theoretical contradiction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Anthony, and I can&#8217;t wholly disagree. I think its less of a this-or-that situation, however, than one of a dynamic internal to depression. In part, I wonder if it&#8217;s even intelligible to talk about life at all deprived of that basic, ground-level narcissism, that stubborn insistence that &#8216;I deserve to exist, I deserve to keep living&#8217; etc. If a depressive weren&#8217;t minimally convinced of this entitlement, it&#8217;s hard to see what other option there would be than suicide (that&#8217;s not to say that certain cases of suicide aren&#8217;t themselves inspired by a narcissistic swipe at one&#8217;s loved ones). But I think it vacillates, it goes back and forth, and this dynamic is what makes depression so difficult, but also so unfortunately livable.</p>
<p>Consequently, I think a certain exacerbation of the narcissistic tendency here is precisely where a kind of politicization can happen (although that&#8217;s not to suggest it is easy): I should be more significant, but instead of reading this discrepancy as a problem with me, I see it as a problem with the world that produced me, and therefore a world that would undervalue its constituents must be challenged and changed. Of course, this could easily lead off into some kind of liberal politics of healing, or even something worse, and hence politicization is not inherently neutral, but that is more of a practical difficulty than a theoretical contradiction.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
		<link>http://adswithoutproducts.com/2009/10/09/last-call-on-militant-dysphoria/#comment-3593</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lars Von Trier - another hubristic talent becoming increasingly ridiculous from the fawning discussions of his big &#039;statements&#039;... wonder how he&#039;ll mutilate women in his next &#039;masterpiece&#039;?

The &#039;black iron prison&#039; of neoliberalism rendering art, theory and politics into a childish (and deadening) series of stunts. Academic bread and circuses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lars Von Trier &#8211; another hubristic talent becoming increasingly ridiculous from the fawning discussions of his big &#8216;statements&#8217;&#8230; wonder how he&#8217;ll mutilate women in his next &#8216;masterpiece&#8217;?</p>
<p>The &#8216;black iron prison&#8217; of neoliberalism rendering art, theory and politics into a childish (and deadening) series of stunts. Academic bread and circuses.</p>
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		<title>By: pollywog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pollywog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[shades of velikovsky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shades of velikovsky.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Truly the last word on militant dysphoria: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118009754.html?categoryid=13&amp;cs=1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly the last word on militant dysphoria: <a href="http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118009754.html?categoryid=13&#038;cs=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118009754.html?categoryid=13&#038;cs=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: pollywog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pollywog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the endgame for the politics of militant dysphoria in reality calls for a zombie revolution. depressives with nothing inside consuming the flesh of the &#039;real&#039;. the real being the fake we are supposed to aspire to. eat the rich. militancy sounds too organized it&#039;ll be more like your classic riot.

if life imitates art, then the current zombie fascination in music, film and fashion should make the revolution well worth televising

somehow i think dubstep will be the soundtrack as opposed to black metal. from the plodding halfstep to the mid range squawkers and the full on aural assault of the likes of reso and king cannibal.

lets fookin &#039;ave it:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the endgame for the politics of militant dysphoria in reality calls for a zombie revolution. depressives with nothing inside consuming the flesh of the &#8216;real&#8217;. the real being the fake we are supposed to aspire to. eat the rich. militancy sounds too organized it&#8217;ll be more like your classic riot.</p>
<p>if life imitates art, then the current zombie fascination in music, film and fashion should make the revolution well worth televising</p>
<p>somehow i think dubstep will be the soundtrack as opposed to black metal. from the plodding halfstep to the mid range squawkers and the full on aural assault of the likes of reso and king cannibal.</p>
<p>lets fookin &#8216;ave it:)</p>
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		<title>By: Ads</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[deserted carpark, 

The issue isn&#039;t really one of the &quot;enjoyment having its way with you&quot; - which it of course will or won&#039;t, and does so every day and in all sorts of ways. It&#039;s a question of what we make this pleasure / the having of its way when we turn to description / analysis / argument. In other words, just because we enjoy looking at the scenery of Ballard&#039;s novels, it&#039;s a more complicated issue what we &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; with that enjoyment. 

wayne, 

I look forward to writing about ballard too - and the issue of what he makes of the relationship (and nature) of the &quot;unconscious&quot; to the material world is one of the things I surely will be writing about. 

APS, 

That&#039;s exactly what I meant, yes. And exactly why I didn&#039;t in the end go back and edit my post. 

Roger, 

That&#039;s rather brilliant, Roger... What&#039;s interesting about it, from the perspective that I usually take as a lit guy, is that one way to describe the modernist novel is that it breaks the seal that held, say, the source of the wealth that underwrites Austen&#039;s novels, exposes the source of the happiness (unhappy happiness) of romance. Heart of Darkness, just to cite an obvious example, seems like a romance turned inside out - Kurtz&#039;s quest for the Intended is the front story gone back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deserted carpark, </p>
<p>The issue isn&#8217;t really one of the &#8220;enjoyment having its way with you&#8221; &#8211; which it of course will or won&#8217;t, and does so every day and in all sorts of ways. It&#8217;s a question of what we make this pleasure / the having of its way when we turn to description / analysis / argument. In other words, just because we enjoy looking at the scenery of Ballard&#8217;s novels, it&#8217;s a more complicated issue what we <i>do</i> with that enjoyment. </p>
<p>wayne, </p>
<p>I look forward to writing about ballard too &#8211; and the issue of what he makes of the relationship (and nature) of the &#8220;unconscious&#8221; to the material world is one of the things I surely will be writing about. </p>
<p>APS, </p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly what I meant, yes. And exactly why I didn&#8217;t in the end go back and edit my post. </p>
<p>Roger, </p>
<p>That&#8217;s rather brilliant, Roger&#8230; What&#8217;s interesting about it, from the perspective that I usually take as a lit guy, is that one way to describe the modernist novel is that it breaks the seal that held, say, the source of the wealth that underwrites Austen&#8217;s novels, exposes the source of the happiness (unhappy happiness) of romance. Heart of Darkness, just to cite an obvious example, seems like a romance turned inside out &#8211; Kurtz&#8217;s quest for the Intended is the front story gone back.</p>
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		<title>By: Ads</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh my god - so tired everyone. Mad Men S03E08 plus a bottle of white! I&#039;ll respond to everything and everyone, given the way sleep usually goes, at about 3 AM BST tomorrow morning!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh my god &#8211; so tired everyone. Mad Men S03E08 plus a bottle of white! I&#8217;ll respond to everything and everyone, given the way sleep usually goes, at about 3 AM BST tomorrow morning!</p>
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