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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://adswithoutproducts.com/2009/06/14/reproductive-presentism-notes-written-one-sunday/#comment-2228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it was where you say &#039;No news event is going to save us&#039; that reminded me of JB&#039;s post 1968 reflections. The essay is a condensed (so condensed!) version of Berger&#039;s journey towards what he was doing in Pig Earth, with the Lefebvre quote representing the pre-68 Berger. There is also something between the lines of your post about parenthood, which I think is there in the Berger essay too &#039;a value which is untranslatable into virtue&#039;, the way one is transformed by the everyday aspects of being a parent. Berger very rarely writes about this, but his son made a film which is worth seeing about their relationship, Aime ton Pere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it was where you say &#8216;No news event is going to save us&#8217; that reminded me of JB&#8217;s post 1968 reflections. The essay is a condensed (so condensed!) version of Berger&#8217;s journey towards what he was doing in Pig Earth, with the Lefebvre quote representing the pre-68 Berger. There is also something between the lines of your post about parenthood, which I think is there in the Berger essay too &#8216;a value which is untranslatable into virtue&#8217;, the way one is transformed by the everyday aspects of being a parent. Berger very rarely writes about this, but his son made a film which is worth seeing about their relationship, Aime ton Pere.</p>
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		<title>By: Ads</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gabe, 

Why &quot;Between Two Colmars&quot;? I just read it, and I can half see what you are saying, but please do say more. I&#039;m interested....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabe, </p>
<p>Why &#8220;Between Two Colmars&#8221;? I just read it, and I can half see what you are saying, but please do say more. I&#8217;m interested&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ads</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah yeah, that&#039;s beautiful stuff. I hadn&#039;t realized, till I was writing the piece that I&#039;ve been writing the last few days, that Lefebvre actually supported (intellectually, but also materially) Perec. I really want to read Les Choses this summer. Own the English, have the library&#039;s French sitting on my shelf. (If I&#039;ve not parapraxically lost it - it could be seen to have some bearing on my summer&#039;s work, so likely I&#039;ve unconsciously disappeared it...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yeah, that&#8217;s beautiful stuff. I hadn&#8217;t realized, till I was writing the piece that I&#8217;ve been writing the last few days, that Lefebvre actually supported (intellectually, but also materially) Perec. I really want to read Les Choses this summer. Own the English, have the library&#8217;s French sitting on my shelf. (If I&#8217;ve not parapraxically lost it &#8211; it could be seen to have some bearing on my summer&#8217;s work, so likely I&#8217;ve unconsciously disappeared it&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://adswithoutproducts.com/2009/06/14/reproductive-presentism-notes-written-one-sunday/#comment-2209</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t see from the blog whether you are familiar with Perec&#039;s infra-ordinaire, but reading the above sent me back to Les Choses:

&quot;It did not take much to make it all crumble: the slightest false note, a mere moment&#039;s hesitation, a sign that was perhaps too vulgar, and their happiness would be put out of joint; it went back to being what it had always been, a kind of deal, a thing they had bought, a pitiful and flimsy thing, just a second&#039;s respite which returned them all the more forcefully to the real dangers, the real uncertainties in their lives, in their history.&quot;


That&#039;s how I used to feel about weekends in London. 

&quot;When the talked to each other about their kind of living, their way of life, their future - when they surrendered themselves in a kind of frenzy, and entirely, to an orgy of better worlds - they sometimes said, with a rather hollow melancholy, that they had not sorted things out properly in their minds. They saw the world through muddled eyes, and the clarity they proclaimed as a value was often accompanied by indecisive fluctuations, ambiguous compromises and assorted other considerations which modulated, minimised or even entirely undermined entirely what were, quite obviously still, their good intentions.&quot;

Also Berger&#039;s essay &#039;Between Two Colmars&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t see from the blog whether you are familiar with Perec&#8217;s infra-ordinaire, but reading the above sent me back to Les Choses:</p>
<p>&#8220;It did not take much to make it all crumble: the slightest false note, a mere moment&#8217;s hesitation, a sign that was perhaps too vulgar, and their happiness would be put out of joint; it went back to being what it had always been, a kind of deal, a thing they had bought, a pitiful and flimsy thing, just a second&#8217;s respite which returned them all the more forcefully to the real dangers, the real uncertainties in their lives, in their history.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how I used to feel about weekends in London. </p>
<p>&#8220;When the talked to each other about their kind of living, their way of life, their future &#8211; when they surrendered themselves in a kind of frenzy, and entirely, to an orgy of better worlds &#8211; they sometimes said, with a rather hollow melancholy, that they had not sorted things out properly in their minds. They saw the world through muddled eyes, and the clarity they proclaimed as a value was often accompanied by indecisive fluctuations, ambiguous compromises and assorted other considerations which modulated, minimised or even entirely undermined entirely what were, quite obviously still, their good intentions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also Berger&#8217;s essay &#8216;Between Two Colmars&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ads</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you really want me to say, perfecto-mom?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you really want me to say, perfecto-mom?</p>
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		<title>By: The Missus</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You never said what the posterboard was for - or was the suspense what you were after?

(:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You never said what the posterboard was for &#8211; or was the suspense what you were after?</p>
<p>(:</p>
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		<title>By: adswithoutproducts</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gabe, 

Yeah that&#039;s right - but I also think that HL and I are trying to get at something else, something a bit more basic that hangovers have everything to do with but which isn&#039;t exhausted by them... Some sort of kicking against comfort, an inirradicable perversity of spirit? Or maybe it can be irradicated, amputated, who knows... More to come on all of this, I&#039;m afraid...

IT, 

You said it, not me. I do feel very at home here, for what it&#039;s worth. Have fun amongst the commie Inuits!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabe, </p>
<p>Yeah that&#8217;s right &#8211; but I also think that HL and I are trying to get at something else, something a bit more basic that hangovers have everything to do with but which isn&#8217;t exhausted by them&#8230; Some sort of kicking against comfort, an inirradicable perversity of spirit? Or maybe it can be irradicated, amputated, who knows&#8230; More to come on all of this, I&#8217;m afraid&#8230;</p>
<p>IT, </p>
<p>You said it, not me. I do feel very at home here, for what it&#8217;s worth. Have fun amongst the commie Inuits!</p>
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		<title>By: infinite thought</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh man, you&#039;re all making England sound like an irrelevant, incredibly inefficient island populated by anxious alcoholic morlocks. Who can&#039;t talk to new people. Noooooooooooo! 

Anyway, I&#039;m moving to red Greenland. I&#039;ve decided.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, you&#8217;re all making England sound like an irrelevant, incredibly inefficient island populated by anxious alcoholic morlocks. Who can&#8217;t talk to new people. Noooooooooooo! </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m moving to red Greenland. I&#8217;ve decided.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The softly spoken anxieties, though, have a different and perhaps more prominent role in London, I think. In smaller cities (with a different drinking culture) there isn&#039;t the same *dread*. I don&#039;t know what it is, but it is there - perhaps the cumulative effect of a mass of people both hungover and dreading Monday packed together...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The softly spoken anxieties, though, have a different and perhaps more prominent role in London, I think. In smaller cities (with a different drinking culture) there isn&#8217;t the same *dread*. I don&#8217;t know what it is, but it is there &#8211; perhaps the cumulative effect of a mass of people both hungover and dreading Monday packed together&#8230;</p>
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