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		<title>By: Velvet Howler &#8250; Blog Archive &#8250; The Neoliberal Dominance of the State</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Velvet Howler &#8250; Blog Archive &#8250; The Neoliberal Dominance of the State]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] can only share the exasperation of Ads Without Products about the rash of articles describing the current bail outs of financial institutions as [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave,

That&#039;s what I&#039;m most concerned about---it reminds me of that documentary Shoah about IBM &quot;counting&quot; machines being a crucial part of the Holocaust, empire&#039;s contributions to the horror. Whose socialism? Which &quot;brand&quot;? etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m most concerned about&#8212;it reminds me of that documentary Shoah about IBM &#8220;counting&#8221; machines being a crucial part of the Holocaust, empire&#8217;s contributions to the horror. Whose socialism? Which &#8220;brand&#8221;? etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bad for neoliberalism, but even worse for socialism, which now gets branded as taking taxpayer moneys to give to giant banks. what?

for 8 years now the &#039;left&#039; has complained of &#039;fascism&#039; from the Bush administration, relying on the same imprecise definition of fascism the West has used for sixty years, on the basis of civil liberties destructions and police-state tactics. but the present financial actions by the U.S. government share with the semi-private, state-funded machinery of the Iraq war a synergy between government and big business that is the very definition of fascism&#039;s economic program. 
not the only two options indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bad for neoliberalism, but even worse for socialism, which now gets branded as taking taxpayer moneys to give to giant banks. what?</p>
<p>for 8 years now the &#8216;left&#8217; has complained of &#8216;fascism&#8217; from the Bush administration, relying on the same imprecise definition of fascism the West has used for sixty years, on the basis of civil liberties destructions and police-state tactics. but the present financial actions by the U.S. government share with the semi-private, state-funded machinery of the Iraq war a synergy between government and big business that is the very definition of fascism&#8217;s economic program.<br />
not the only two options indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, it&#039;s pretty disgusting. Every time I hear the claim that this is socialism, these pseudo-nationalizations, I cringe. I&#039;m not sure what the ideological upshot of this will be--it&#039;s bad for neoliberalism, sure, probably fatal, but it&#039;s not necessarily good for socialism.  Those are not the only two options.

Because, frankly, I don&#039;t see how shoring up finance capital--even if the Treasury gets a piece of any future profits--is really going to avert a vicious contraction. The mortgage relief the Dems want is a start, but even then it seems like too little, too late. So, there will be some credit, but no wages, really. What are they gonna do? Increase household debt even more?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s pretty disgusting. Every time I hear the claim that this is socialism, these pseudo-nationalizations, I cringe. I&#8217;m not sure what the ideological upshot of this will be&#8211;it&#8217;s bad for neoliberalism, sure, probably fatal, but it&#8217;s not necessarily good for socialism.  Those are not the only two options.</p>
<p>Because, frankly, I don&#8217;t see how shoring up finance capital&#8211;even if the Treasury gets a piece of any future profits&#8211;is really going to avert a vicious contraction. The mortgage relief the Dems want is a start, but even then it seems like too little, too late. So, there will be some credit, but no wages, really. What are they gonna do? Increase household debt even more?</p>
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