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		<title>By: jane</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sisyphus: ick! Or, maybe, &lt;i&gt;ich!&lt;/i&gt; Well, I think you get at the problem in conceding that the poems you mention are indeed epiphanic — one might see this as the problem of the conventional poem in which the character and author are assimilated into a single position. This makes impossible Flaubert&#039;s ruthless (if ambivalent) distance from Emma&#039;s experience.

You&#039;re right that this &quot;embodied experience of the fleeting everyday moment&quot; is both a cliché in, and about, modern lyric poetry — but I wouldn&#039;t give in to the cliché so easily. It&#039;s not true of such widely various poets as Pound, Stein, O&#039;Hara, H.D., Duncan, Ginsberg, Baraka, Hejinian, Zukofsky, Ashbery, Stevens, MacDiarmid, Niedecker, Spicer, Palmer, Olson...and it would be interesting to debate Creeley, Auden, Williams, Eliot. These and more, all of them great. Indeed, one of the things that all these disparate poets  have in common is their fashioning their poetics exactly &lt;i&gt;against&lt;/i&gt; the poetry you describe; one might even argue that the &quot;epiphanic lyric&quot; is  the very negative of something truly indicative and extraordinary about the poetry of the age...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sisyphus: ick! Or, maybe, <i>ich!</i> Well, I think you get at the problem in conceding that the poems you mention are indeed epiphanic — one might see this as the problem of the conventional poem in which the character and author are assimilated into a single position. This makes impossible Flaubert&#8217;s ruthless (if ambivalent) distance from Emma&#8217;s experience.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that this &#8220;embodied experience of the fleeting everyday moment&#8221; is both a cliché in, and about, modern lyric poetry — but I wouldn&#8217;t give in to the cliché so easily. It&#8217;s not true of such widely various poets as Pound, Stein, O&#8217;Hara, H.D., Duncan, Ginsberg, Baraka, Hejinian, Zukofsky, Ashbery, Stevens, MacDiarmid, Niedecker, Spicer, Palmer, Olson&#8230;and it would be interesting to debate Creeley, Auden, Williams, Eliot. These and more, all of them great. Indeed, one of the things that all these disparate poets  have in common is their fashioning their poetics exactly <i>against</i> the poetry you describe; one might even argue that the &#8220;epiphanic lyric&#8221; is  the very negative of something truly indicative and extraordinary about the poetry of the age&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sisyphus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting! So when does &quot;the everyday&quot; begin? When is the everyday invented? 

This attention to the embodied experience of the fleeting everyday moment reminds me of modern lyric poetry, except that these short poems usually _are_ epiphanic. Elizabeth Bishop would be the paradigmatic example, but also see &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/a-blessing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;James Wright.&lt;/A&gt; (sorry, that link has stupid ad pop-ups.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting! So when does &#8220;the everyday&#8221; begin? When is the everyday invented? </p>
<p>This attention to the embodied experience of the fleeting everyday moment reminds me of modern lyric poetry, except that these short poems usually _are_ epiphanic. Elizabeth Bishop would be the paradigmatic example, but also see <a HREF="http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/a-blessing/" rel="nofollow">James Wright.</a> (sorry, that link has stupid ad pop-ups.)</p>
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