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		<title>By: Hythlodaeus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CR--

Thank you for the plug. I appreciate it.

SEK--

I also thought Joseph&#039;s critique was a good one, not least because it spurred me to clarify my thinking even further. I&#039;ve finally gotten around to posting a response over at my site. I don&#039;t know if it will confirm or dispel your skepticism, but I hope it&#039;s the latter. My &quot;revolutionism,&quot; such as it is, is neither apocalyptic nor messianic. I also agree that pragmatism is important; however, I don&#039;t think pragmatism is antithetical to a revolutionary position, as long as we think of revolution not as an event, but as a practice engaged in a concrete situation, working ultimately towards re-making its parameters. To invert the slogan of the &#039;68 protesters: I&#039;m a idealist, I demand the possible! Part of my motivation in starting the blog (as well as intervening in the debate) was simply to direct attention to projects already in motion, actually-existing projects that could serve as models. My stress on political economy is in the same pragmatic spirit: I don&#039;t think we stand any chance of making a new society if we don&#039;t understand the basic objective institutional mechanisms currently employed to reproduce the one we&#039;re trapped in. It&#039;s time, I think, to sublate the dialectic of enlightenment, bring critical reason and instrumental reason back together again. The way out is through. When the revolution comes, someone&#039;s going to have to know how to do the plumbing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CR&#8211;</p>
<p>Thank you for the plug. I appreciate it.</p>
<p>SEK&#8211;</p>
<p>I also thought Joseph&#8217;s critique was a good one, not least because it spurred me to clarify my thinking even further. I&#8217;ve finally gotten around to posting a response over at my site. I don&#8217;t know if it will confirm or dispel your skepticism, but I hope it&#8217;s the latter. My &#8220;revolutionism,&#8221; such as it is, is neither apocalyptic nor messianic. I also agree that pragmatism is important; however, I don&#8217;t think pragmatism is antithetical to a revolutionary position, as long as we think of revolution not as an event, but as a practice engaged in a concrete situation, working ultimately towards re-making its parameters. To invert the slogan of the &#8217;68 protesters: I&#8217;m a idealist, I demand the possible! Part of my motivation in starting the blog (as well as intervening in the debate) was simply to direct attention to projects already in motion, actually-existing projects that could serve as models. My stress on political economy is in the same pragmatic spirit: I don&#8217;t think we stand any chance of making a new society if we don&#8217;t understand the basic objective institutional mechanisms currently employed to reproduce the one we&#8217;re trapped in. It&#8217;s time, I think, to sublate the dialectic of enlightenment, bring critical reason and instrumental reason back together again. The way out is through. When the revolution comes, someone&#8217;s going to have to know how to do the plumbing.</p>
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		<title>By: CR</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I&#039;m totally with you and with Joe. I just think that these PE people have done a nice job making their case. It&#039;s a serious looking blog, and I appreciate that.

They took a poke at me too, slightly, in that piece. This is a marker of what a mature and well-balanced person I am (now) that I&#039;m linking without comment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m totally with you and with Joe. I just think that these PE people have done a nice job making their case. It&#8217;s a serious looking blog, and I appreciate that.</p>
<p>They took a poke at me too, slightly, in that piece. This is a marker of what a mature and well-balanced person I am (now) that I&#8217;m linking without comment.</p>
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		<title>By: SEK</title>
		<link>http://adswithoutproducts.com/2007/07/20/projekt-enlightenment/#comment-245</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve read &lt;a href=&quot;http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/in-response-to-projekt-enlightenment/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joe&#039;s response&lt;/a&gt;, I&#039;m sure, but in case you haven&#039;t, I think it points to the problem with thinking about progress sans pragmatism.  Yes, I think PE&#039;s on to something theoretically, but much as I wish I could get behind it, it reads like more naive optimism to be easily dismissed.  Not that I don&#039;t think such thought unserious and/or a spur to better things, only that I think I&#039;m getting old ... or maybe it, with its perpetual, nay, &lt;em&gt;necessary&lt;/em&gt; unfulfilment is.  I wish I could believe in the revolution again, but once you learn how entrenched the powers-that-be are, ideas like that seem akin to wishing Batman would show up and right things ... and &lt;em&gt;yes&lt;/em&gt;, I &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; wish it was that easy, but it isn&#039;t.  I&#039;m not sure where this disenchantment train is headed, so I&#039;ll stop while I&#039;m behind.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve read <a href="http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/in-response-to-projekt-enlightenment/" rel="nofollow">Joe&#8217;s response</a>, I&#8217;m sure, but in case you haven&#8217;t, I think it points to the problem with thinking about progress sans pragmatism.  Yes, I think PE&#8217;s on to something theoretically, but much as I wish I could get behind it, it reads like more naive optimism to be easily dismissed.  Not that I don&#8217;t think such thought unserious and/or a spur to better things, only that I think I&#8217;m getting old &#8230; or maybe it, with its perpetual, nay, <em>necessary</em> unfulfilment is.  I wish I could believe in the revolution again, but once you learn how entrenched the powers-that-be are, ideas like that seem akin to wishing Batman would show up and right things &#8230; and <em>yes</em>, I <em>do</em> wish it was that easy, but it isn&#8217;t.  I&#8217;m not sure where this disenchantment train is headed, so I&#8217;ll stop while I&#8217;m behind.</p>
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